{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/db7vm44k9n/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["AMPlify your digital assets with Jon Dunn \u0026 Emily Lynema"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/550/original/DAM_Right_Podcast_Banner_with_graphic.png?1708138704","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Episode"]},"value":{"en":["AMPlify your digital assets with Jon Dunn \u0026amp; Emily Lynema"]}},{"label":{"en":["Guest"]},"value":{"en":["Jon Dunn","Emily Lynema"]}},{"label":{"en":["Host"]},"value":{"en":["Chris Lacinak"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2024-07-11"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eHost Chris Lacinak is joined by Jon Dunn and Emily Lynema from Indiana University to talk about the AMP project. AMP, which stands for Audiovisual Metadata Platform, was born out of a need at Indiana University to create metadata for hundreds of thousands of digitized assets. While AI was beginning to show great potential, there weren't platforms in the marketplace that allowed for the orchestration of multiple AI tools into coordinated workflows that could generate high quality metadata. IU pitched the vision of such a platform to the Mellon Foundation and AMP was born.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJon and Emily share their experience, insights, and lessons learned from their work on this groundbreaking project.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eGuest Bios: \u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eEmily Lynema is the Head of Digital Media Software Development at Indiana University Libraries. Her team develops systems that support access to digitized audiovisual materials, including the large volume of content digitized by the University’s Media Digitization and Preservation Initiative. She is actively involved in IU Libraries’ exploration of the use of artificial intelligence / machine learning tools to help create metadata for digitized media that can be used to enable identification, discovery, and rights determination. She holds a Master’s degree in Information Science from the University of Michigan and an undergraduate degree in Computer Science.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJon Dunn, Assistant Dean for Library Technologies, oversees information technology development and operations for the IU Libraries, including technical support, systems administration, software development, digitization, digital preservation, user experience, and digital collections services.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJon has worked with the IU Libraries for more than 25 years, beginning in the Music Library as technical director for IU’s groundbreaking Variations digital music library project, moving to the Digital Library Program at the time of its formation in 1997, and eventually joining the Library Technologies division.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eHe serves as director of the Avalon Media System project, an open source system for providing online access to audio and video collections, funded by grants from the Institute of Museum and Library Services and the Mellon Foundation. 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AMP, which stands for Audiovisual Metadata Platform, was born out of a need at Indiana University to create metadata for hundreds of thousands of digitized assets. While AI was beginning to show great potential, there weren't platforms in the marketplace that allowed for the orchestration of multiple AI tools into coordinated workflows that could generate high quality metadata. IU pitched the vision of such a platform to the Mellon Foundation and AMP was born.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJon and Emily share their experience, insights, and lessons learned from their work on this groundbreaking project.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eGuest Bios:\u0026nbsp;\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eEmily Lynema is the Head of Digital Media Software Development at Indiana University Libraries. 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input","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=17.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"into coordinated and connected workflows to produce meaningful metadata to users of these collections of digital assets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=24.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the heels of many organizations digitizing their legacy audiovisual collections to avoid loss of their content to obsolescence and degradation,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=31.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this potential solution arrived just in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=39.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As organizations looked at the petabytes of digital files they produced from digitization","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=42.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and worried about how they would ever create the metadata necessary to find, use, and preserve them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=47.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the answer was emerging in a vague way, but still remained out of 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AMP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=65.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This would not only help IU figure out how to describe the 500,000 hours of audiovisual content they were in the process of digitizing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=67.0,74.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but would help countless other organizations that found themselves in a similar 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endeavor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=84.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the spirit of the open source project that is AMP,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=90.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jon and Emily openly and generously share their experience, insights, and knowledge in this 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podcast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=110.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm so excited to have you here today and to talk about this really amazing project you both have been part of, the AMP project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=114.0,123.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we dive into talking about what AMP is, I'd love if you could just tell us a little bit about your background and how you came to be involved with AMP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=123.0,134.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emily, maybe we can start with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=134.0,136.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure. Yeah, I can start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=136.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm relatively new to the AMP project, but my background is in computer science, actually, in my undergraduate degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=138.0,145.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But once I completed that, I realized that I was interested in working with libraries and that technology in libraries was a really growing area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=145.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a master's in library and information science as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=155.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I've worked in the library technology and library software development community in particular for almost 20 years now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=159.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Previously at NC State, now I've been at Indiana University for a couple of years, almost two years now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=166.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I manage product, I manage developers, and I serve as the product owner for this project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=173.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I've been busy learning as much as I can about artificial intelligence as it applies to library collections, audiovisual materials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=179.0,186.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. Thanks. How about you, Jon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=186.0,188.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think the beginnings of my background are somewhat similar to Emily's in that my background is also in computer science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=188.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have a bachelor's degree in computer 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point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=227.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a lot of my focus has been in kind of the area of digital libraries, particularly working a lot with audiovisual media digitization and online access, digital preservation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=233.0,249.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of software development projects we've done with various universities and other 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together with human intervention to really help with, ideally, the process of creating metadata for audiovisual collections and assets to support their discovery, navigation, identification, rights determination,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=292.0,313.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and other things that have to be done to really make these more accessible, discoverable, available to ultimately the end user, be it a student, a researcher, an instructor, member of the public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=313.0,327.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we're really focused on metadata creation and being able to support workflows to help with that creation of metadata to support discovery and usability of media assets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=327.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not a discovery platform. It's not a platform for searching and browsing collections on the part of end users, but really helping to feed systems that support that, things like library catalogs or archival finding aids or digital asset management systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=339.0,356.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who is the user that's fiddling with the virtual knobs there? Does this live in central IT? Does it live with the collection manager? Who's using this system?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=356.0,367.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that's a great question. I think one that we're still trying to perhaps evolve the answer to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=367.0,373.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, ideally, it is the collection manager. So one of the main goals of AMP was to allow the creation of very customized workflows to support different kinds of collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=373.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So here at IU, we have a wide diversity of audiovisual collections. We have music performances. We have ethnographic content. We have oral history interviews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=390.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have various kinds of events, lectures, other kinds of field collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=401.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the kinds of tools you'd want to apply to processing a given collection are going to vary, really, depending on the nature of that collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=407.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You wouldn't want to take a concert recording and run it through a bunch of speech-to-text processing and try to derive metadata from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=414.0,422.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'd want to use other kinds of things. So, ideally, the user of the AMP platform is the collection manager.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=422.0,430.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But these tools -- we can talk more about some of the tools -- but they still are kind of fiddly, and the technical knowledge to kind of glue together these different steps of the workflow is still a little --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=430.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it can be a little technically difficult, so it can be challenging for some collection managers to deal with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=446.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you paint a picture for us? You said this is not a discovery platform. It's not where people are going to search.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=451.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, in the grand vision for AMP, when it's doing what it does best, and you really -- the vision that you have for it, what is it doing and what is it enabling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=457.0,469.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, so really, it's helping whoever is responsible for providing access to a collection of audio and video resources, helping them make their job easier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=469.0,486.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it's helping them be able to take a collection of audio or video materials to build a workflow that pulls in different tools to do different kinds of processing of that audio and video and perhaps existing metadata for those materials to create information,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=486.0,511.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to really create new metadata that can be reviewed and used to kind of augment what metadata may exist to better describe and better make audio and video resources in library and archive collections discoverable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=511.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the idea is that one could build out a different workflow, as I was saying earlier, for a music collection versus primarily spoken word collection or a different workflow for a collection of video recordings of events of lectures on campus in certain locations than the workflow that might be used for other kinds of --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=528.0,554.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for a film, feature films or instructional films or TV commercials or any of the many other kinds of things that we have in our collections or that any cultural heritage institution might have in its collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=554.0,566.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, AMP generates the metadata. How does it then get used to become discoverable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=566.0,572.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. 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not just, okay, this topic is discussed in this two-hour lecture, but kind of to drill into really the time in that when that particular topic is discussed or whatever is searched on to build that metadata that is tied to the timeline of the video or even maybe certain spatial elements of the video as well for object detection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=631.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's, I'd say, a future 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summarization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=690.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003eYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=692.0,693.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=693.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=694.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's information for a human to draw on to ultimately decide what would go into these systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=695.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is a lot of discussion in the community about kind of machine-generated metadata and when is it appropriate to just pull that in directly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=703.0,712.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how do you convey to a user of a collection that this is machine-generated versus 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collection descriptions where we historically have a relatively high attention to the correctness of the data in what we make available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=723.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003eThat's a very interesting discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=748.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and I want to zoom in on the human role within AMP, but we'll get to that 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IU?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=765.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were the circumstances and the landscape that made IU decide this was a project worthwhile to take on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=767.0,775.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003e\u003eYeah, that's a good question, and a lot of people ask that question when they hear about Indiana University doing work like 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centers and archives and other units that are spread across the campus and on actually all seven of our campuses in the Indiana University system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=786.0,814.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as a result, we were pretty early into the kind of realm of digitization of special collections and in particular of audio and video 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risk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=925.0,927.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we worked with AVP on that work, as you may recall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=927.0,933.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then ultimately, this led to the launch of a very ambitious project back in, originally announced in 2013, I think it began in earnest a couple of years later, called the Media Digitization and Preservation Initiative or MDPI.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=933.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the goal of that project was really to digitize all of the rare and unique audio and video resources held in collections on IU's campuses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=951.0,962.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then later, that was expanded to encompass a significant portion of our motion picture film holdings as 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metadata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=988.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of it wasn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=996.0,998.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we realized to actually not just preserve this and make this useful, we were going to need to look at other ways, not necessarily continue what we had always been doing, but look at different ways we could really work to describe and make 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us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1019.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you mentioned 2013 was the last date I heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1023.0,1025.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So kind of what happened between 2013 and 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mentioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1031.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we began work in 2015, 2016 on actually digitizing audio and video in partnership with Memnon, which is a vendor who actually came in and set up shop on our campus to do a large part of that digitization in conjunction with engineers working for IU.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1036.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think we -- I'm trying to reconstruct kind of dates in my mind, but we started to talk about this need of how we can describe and provide access to these materials and what users really need in terms of metadata to be able to find and work with collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1060.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we actually commissioned AVP to work on a survey or a study actually talking with our collection managers about what metadata their users need and kind of mapping that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1080.0,1095.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that was around 2016 or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1095.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1100.0,1102.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And kind of in conjunction with that -- well, looking at that, it was evident that there were starting to be tools out there that could actually help with some of the metadata that collection managers were saying they needed in order to provide access to their collections 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processing or detecting certain things in audio, certain kinds of events and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1214.0,1228.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as far as systems that kind of integrated those together, there wasn't a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1228.0,1232.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was GrayMeta, which has, I think, recently -- they had a system that essentially threw a bunch of 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direction around this type of system?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1353.0,1370.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But also we didn't really want something that was a black box in terms of how it functioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1370.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We wanted to really be able to understand, okay, what tools are being 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happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1406.0,1409.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What are its limitations potentially?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1409.0,1411.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So having that kind of control and visibility over the functioning of the system, I think is a big part of the interest in open source as 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collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1445.0,1458.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so one of the things about AMP is that it's not intended to be like a specific tool that meets a specific need, but something that can be reused time and time again to meet needs across all of our collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1458.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we have what we call MGMs, or metadata generation mechanisms in AMP that pull in tools from the community, both open source and commercial, and make them available to pull together into collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1469.0,1483.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this is one of the things that the project curated, so tools like for speech to text or video OCR, named entity recognition, facial recognition, even applause detection, so you could detect distinct segments of a musical performance, or audio segmentation, so you can find music or speech versus the noise or the dead sections of digitized media.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1483.0,1507.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was a big phase of the AMP project. So we have like a pretty large collection of those kinds of things pulled into the project that are made available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1507.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also, one of the last things that we built as part of the grant funding for this project was the MGM evaluation framework, what we called it, was this idea that a collection manager or anyone really may not know for a given collection, which has its own characteristics, like Jon talked about, what tool is going to work best or what settings for the tool are going to work best for this tool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1518.0,1547.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the idea is that to provide a way for users to go in and test different MGMs or say test an AWS transcribe versus whisper or call the for speech text and determine if one of them is better than another for my collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1547.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so anybody really can do that after generating a ground truth for their media items, say, you know, the transcription of text, or if you're doing video OCR, a listing of the terminology that occurs in the video content, and then also run that media item through, say, AWS transcribe or whisper, say both probably, produce a transcript, and then run an automated comparison that will give you things like precision","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1565.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and recall or word error rate. And then, you know, also show you the comparison of like, where did the automated tool produce something that differed from the human produced ground truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1594.0,1610.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the idea is like, let's give a tool to end users to be able to evaluate several different of these automated metadata generation tools within the community to figure out what's going to work best with my collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1610.0,1627.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think that is something that's pretty unique to the AMP platform.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1627.0,1631.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that and that seems that that ties into what Jon was talking about. I mean, that is a level of transparency that you may not, I haven't seen in any other platforms. That's really interesting. That sounds like an extremely valuable facet of AMP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1631.0,1644.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things that strikes me as being unique about AMP, based on my interactions with you all over the years is just that it was built. I think, you know, we go back to when the conversation started, and there was a lot of skepticism on one side. On the other side, there's a lot of wide eyed enthusiasm about what AI would do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1644.0,1668.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that conversation has evolved a lot as people have put it to practice, but AMP from day one, incorporated humans in the loop. And that was a core part of that. And I wonder if one of you could speak to that a little bit and just talk a bit about how you thought about and maybe that how that humans in the loop factored into AMP, maybe in both kind of theoretical and practical ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1668.0,1696.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, well, we set out definitely not to make AMP something that people would be fearful of in terms of replacing their jobs. And there's a lot of that kind of hype out there, perhaps now even more than there was then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1696.0,1712.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can just use AI to describe everything. We don't need catalogers anymore. We don't need people who have done these types of jobs. And that's very much not true. And I think will never be true because there's so much context that AI models don't have, may very well never have, that brings value to that process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1712.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, first of all, that was a core principle. We very much want the things that humans can bring to this work to still be there. This is a way to make their work easier, not to supplant them by any means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1738.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that there are steps at which we can kind of bring humans into a workflow that really improve the overall result. And it might not just be generate a bunch of metadata, human cataloger reviews and selects, this is good, this is bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1757.0,1775.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you might generate a transcript and then have someone review that to correct it, then run it through various kinds of natural language processing, then have someone kind of select from that, then try to match terms up with vocabularies and finally have that be reviewed again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1775.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it was really important, we thought, to kind of both to engagement, willingness to engage with the tool, but also just the quality of the output and the usefulness of the output eventually for researchers and other people who are trying to find and work with these collections to have humans in the loop at multiple steps in the process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1794.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Looking for amazing and free resources about AI, DAM, and more? Let the best DAM consultants in the business help you out. Visit weareavp.com/free-resources. That's weareavp.com/free-resources.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1819.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it seems important, humans in the loop seems like part of the answer to some of the ethical questions that come up around use of AI. Bias is something I know that you all have spent a lot of time looking at and considering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1835.0,1854.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'll just, as a side note, it seems, you know, we talked earlier about who is this tool in the hands of. It does seem that in a way, having collection managers, curators, being the ones using the tool is a human in the loop sort of, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1854.0,1875.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're the ones that will be most in touch with the biases associated with their subject matter. So that seems interesting in and of itself that I hadn't considered before. But let's touch on the ethical considerations. What are the, you know, can you give us a sweep of the ethical considerations that come up in a project or platform or uses of a platform like this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1875.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure. Yeah. And of course, there's a lot of discussion out there now about the ethics of AI, the biases of AI, AI safety, etc. But really, I'd say that the two main sets of concerns for us in AMP have been, number one, privacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1897.0,1917.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. So, you know, working with collections, particularly archival collections, you know, there can be a lot of people, individuals represented in those collections, things people said or did represented in those collections that, you know, have privacy concerns where, yeah, maybe someone knew something was being recorded, but they didn't know it would eventually be on the Internet for anyone to discover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1917.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So some of these privacy concerns go beyond AI and just around kind of the ethics of making archival collections available online. But then certainly, AI has the potential to improve the findability of resources beyond what, you know, typically has been done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1944.0,1967.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if I could run facial recognition against, you know, everyone in a crowd of people at an event and it's telling me, oh, this person was here, this person was here, that person was there, you know, that goes well beyond anything we would have ever described or wanted to describe in collections in the past and not something I think people would expect or think, you know, certainly in an archival world feel would be ethical for us to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1967.0,1990.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, you know, thinking about those kinds of limitations and how we use the tools and what tools we do use. Also, privacy comes into play in regard to using commercial tools. So there are a lot of cloud kind of AI tools for doing various kinds of processing, whether it's speech to text or facial recognition, what have you, from both small and large vendors out there that are available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=1990.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And relatively easy to integrate into platforms. And we've integrated, you know, several of these from providers like Amazon and Microsoft, Google, IBM, and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2019.0,2030.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the kind of policies and practices around what those vendors do with data supplied by customers isn't always entirely clear or transparent. And so that's also a privacy concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2030.0,2045.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If we supply information, is that then being retained and used beyond our use of that tool to facilitate future product improvement, better training of models, how is that stored and retained, who can get to it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2045.0,2061.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do we opt out of letting a vendor keep the information that we're providing indefinitely? And different vendors have different policies and kind of different defaults around that. And that's something that we've really looked at a lot in looking at different MGMs and the commercial side for AMP around privacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2061.0,2078.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's only recently that you started to see, oh, you can pay a few bucks more and not have your data go into training models, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2078.0,2085.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emily, you were going to say something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2085.0,2087.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was just going to mention an example, like a concrete example of what Jon was talking about around privacy is in the way we've implemented facial recognition in AMP, which is definitely a concern about identifying people who may not have been aware they were being recorded again or didn't ever know that this recording might be surfaced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2087.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the facial recognition module we've implemented is one that you tell it who you want to find. So, basically, you provide some photos of an individual as kind of a very small training set. And you say, does this person occur within this data set?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2106.0,2123.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, for example, we might be interested to look for Herman B. Walsh within our collections or someone like that. So, rather than trying to just identify anyone, especially for our archivists, may be just trying to find materials that have an individual in them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2123.0,2140.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it's a way to help them sort or move through collection and identify things that are of interest. So, it's more limited than just pointing facial recognition at a media item and saying, tell me who all is in this, because we were definitely concerned about the implications of ethics and privacy for that particular use case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2140.0,2158.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. That's a useful example that helps us get our head around that better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2158.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other, I think, main kind of ethical realm of ethical concern that we've looked at is bias. Obviously, there's a lot of studies out there on kind of biases of the models that have been used to -- or the data that's been used to train a lot of the models that are out there in the AI world just because of what has been easy for researchers to obtain or who those researchers are and kind of what they naturally turn to in terms of their bias.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2163.0,2192.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, we also don't want AI to kind of amplify perhaps existing biases we may have in our own collections as well, even further through bias models that are labeling particular people incorrectly or working much better to provide additional metadata for some kinds of situations than for others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2192.0,2221.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that's also something we look closely at and our collection managers are very interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2221.0,2226.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The ownership question is an interesting one. I remember talking about this years ago before -- I mean, again, a recent trend has been there are companies that are founded just solely on the basis of we'll provide you your own private instance that you can train yourself with your own data and nobody else accesses it and things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2226.0,2244.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the time, that wasn't really an option and it seemed like one of the things that AMP brought to the table is this thing that people could deploy that was potentially their own private instance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2244.0,2254.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As you say, they're using MGMs, but as a data store, maybe they build that it's theirs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2254.0,2262.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I guess I wonder, what do you think -- I mean, the ownership around the data is an interesting question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2262.0,2269.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's also the model that's getting trained. There's the brain that you're training and the portability of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2269.0,2277.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I haven't yet heard, and maybe I just haven't been in those conversations, but interoperability around AI models that are trained, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2277.0,2284.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can I, after using chat GPT for five years, can I take what I've trained in my own personal instance and port it over to the next platform I want to use or do I have to start from scratch again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2284.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I've just laid a lot out there. Sorry to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2297.0,2300.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But maybe you could just tell -- I mean, some of the thoughts or opinions around the ownership question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2300.0,2307.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where have you been in your journey around that related to AMP?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2307.0,2312.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, well, I think different people have different viewpoints around those issues and kind of what they're concerned about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2312.0,2319.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One thing that we did from the start, just in terms of ownership of the models of kind of the individual steps of the individual MGMs,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2319.0,2329.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is that for almost every case, we identified both a commercial cloud-hosted MGM and an open-source MGM implementation that one can choose from for each step.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2329.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, as you suggested, one could take AMP, an institution could take AMP and implement it entirely locally 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Whisper for speech-to-text, for example, which was developed by a company but is open-source and has open-source models.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2363.0,2378.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I definitely heard institutions that that's a major reason that they want to use Whisper is because they want everything -- you know, they have a collection that has high privacy needs for the materials or has sensitive materials, and it needs to be something that's not going to the cloud at 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AMP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2473.0,2479.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this project was funded by the Mellon Foundation, or at least a few phases, I think, were funded by the Mellon Foundation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2479.0,2487.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I wonder, you know, this is clearly -- they wouldn't fund something just for Indiana 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project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2508.0,2512.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I think Mellon really originally funded this project out of the kind of what I was mentioning earlier in the IU context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2512.0,2521.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But really, you know, it's a much broader context of this growing interest in and understanding of the need to preserve AV as 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if it's at much larger scale than maybe what some other institutions might be dealing with,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2549.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we all have this same problem of AV content that has to be digitized in many cases to be preserved, to be accessible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2557.0,2568.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the lack of metadata around that content and this being 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of our cultural heritage and national, international cultural heritage and need to be made accessible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2589.0,2599.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Mellon, you know, I think was very interested in kind of supporting the exploration of that and the development of platforms that could help with that problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2599.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they also, at the same time they funded AMP, they funded a project between GBH, a public broadcaster in Boston, and Brandeis University to explore use of AI tools focused a lot on computational linguistic tools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2610.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2626.0,2627.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the kinds of materials that a television, public television producer like GBH has in its collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2627.0,2636.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, you know, I think Mellon was trying to help kind of jumpstart the looking of these kinds of things in the cultural heritage and AV archiving sectors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2636.0,2649.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another takeaway from what you just said might be 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going and spending money on other things and they had it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2672.0,2676.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's that they're typically pretty lean operations with limited resources and it was just an enormous task.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2676.0,2682.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it does seem, you know, this seemed like a moment in time, and I don't want to put words in your mouth 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limitations that have historically been found.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2696.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Does that sound like a fair summarization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2706.0,2709.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Absolutely, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2709.0,2711.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And another dimension to that, I think, is for many organizations who had AV materials in their collections, maybe alongside other materials, paper materials, photographs, you know, et cetera,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2711.0,2723.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AV materials were particularly challenging to deal with because they are on so many different formats, because it's harder and harder to get the playback devices, et cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2723.0,2731.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, even if they wanted to put resources into cataloging and describing them, in many cases, they couldn't even listen or watch them to be able to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2731.0,2741.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, 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How feasible is it to get running? What are the issues in another institution trying to take it and run it in its infrastructure, helping make sure this isn't something that can only be used at IU?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2837.0,2851.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've also had a couple of different advisory groups of folks from lots of different communities, archival community, library technology communities, the AI communities have helped kind of guide some of the initial architecture of the system, as well as help us make sure that we're covering our base cities from a number of different viewpoints as we move the system forward to something that, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2851.0,2878.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"will and can get used and can be sustained and so on and go beyond this kind of grant funded development effort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2878.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Speaking of UT, and Emily earlier you mentioned applause detection, it just makes me realize Tanya Clement, who is one of the partners at UT, has been working on, you know, in a related manner on Hipsta, it was called at one point, I'm not sure if that's what it's called today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2886.0,2906.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hipstas, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2906.0,2907.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hipstas, yeah, which was a really interesting, I'm assuming that that work was one of the reasons that compelled you to get UT involved in the project. 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One is just user testing, like, does this thing make any sense when a user comes to it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2962.0,2977.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the last round of development, we did a lot of work with the user interface that a collection manager could come to and add content in and then create and run workflows and use the evaluation module that I talked about earlier for learning more about NGMs and how they work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2977.0,2996.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we went through several rounds of collection managers and also worked with at least one or two of the folks at NYPL to provide feedback on the user interface and we're in a place to kind of make some changes to try to help the user interface seem a little more smooth for those folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=2996.0,3013.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had the men creating workflows. That was one of the things that's so interesting about this project and the tool that we integrate in open source tool called Galaxy for allowing end users to create workflows out of these NGMs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3013.0,3029.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's amazing and wonderful tool, but sometimes collection managers are a little overwhelmed when they start looking at it. So that was one of the pieces of feedback we had with actually creating workflows is this idea that we may also, there may also be a place for having kind of workflow components or sampled starter workflows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3029.0,3051.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, here's the standard speech to text workflow if that's all that you need done to help collection managers. That was one piece of feedback that we got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3051.0,3059.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the last rounds of testing that we did was really trying to get at for staff who actually have collections, looking at the output that is produced by NGMs and trying to determine would this output be useful to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3059.0,3078.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What would you use this output for? So we talked to collection managers and came up with a set of use cases for each kind of output. So for a speech to text like, would you be comfortable using this output produced by an NGM for full text searching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3078.0,3094.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you be comfortable having it be actually presented to users? Would you be comfortable scanning it for keywords? Would it require human review before you were comfortable using it for these use cases?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3094.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or would you feel comfortable using it the way it is produced by say AWS Transcribe or Kaldi is what we had in place at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3106.0,3116.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or is it like not useful at all? Like I wouldn't even start with this. It's not helpful to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3116.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was a really interesting round of testing because we really wanted to try and get at, you know, now that we have something built, like what can we do with it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3122.0,3130.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where's the, and not in the sense of like technically, what can we do with it? What tools do we have? What can they produce? But what might collection managers want to do with it? And what kinds of data are most useful that are being produced by NGMs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3130.0,3146.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was really interesting. Sort of we had, we created ground truth for stuff so that we could evaluate the accuracy of outputs produced by different NGMs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3146.0,3155.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we sort of showed that to collection managers and we had them rate it. Like, what would you be, how comfortable would you be with this output?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3155.0,3162.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3162.0,3163.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's not particularly surprising, right? That speech to text like came up as one that, A, you know, people were more comfortable leveraging because it's pretty clear how you can use a transcript.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3163.0,3175.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also at that time, like AWS Transcribe was way better than Kaldi. That has perhaps since changed with Whisper. 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The output from video OCR can be challenging. It tends to have like a lot of excess stuff in it that's not real or that's like repetition from multiple frames in video and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3211.0,3227.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And while there may be like stuff in there that's really interesting and of value, it can feel very hard, especially from a collection manager perspective, to like sift through that raw output and be like, what would I do with this that would be useful?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3227.0,3239.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was good and it helped to give us a sense of like, well, where might we start with our collections and our collection managers to like begin to begin leveraging these tools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3239.0,3255.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jon mentioned testing with NYPL in particular, like having them install AMP and go through the installation process and make sure that it was something, again, that other people could use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3255.0,3266.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's something that actually went really smoothly when we worked with the folks at NYPL. 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flag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3429.0,3431.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's an awareness flag, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3431.0,3432.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like, think about this, that's something for others in the field to look at and just take note 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AMP?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3454.0,3458.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, so, I mean, Galaxy is one of the big ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3458.0,3462.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I mentioned 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project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3503.0,3505.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, like Jon mentioned, for every MGM that we have, one of the really important parts of the process of the project where we went through identifying tools and which ones we wanted to bring into AMP was looking for an open source component to pair alongside of any commercial offering in each of the 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example, the BBC editor, which is a tool for transcript correction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3553.0,3562.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, after a transcript is produced by speech text tool, you can use that within the context of AMP as a human to go in and review and correct that transcript.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3562.0,3571.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we have a similar option for named entity recognition using a tool that we've developed for the context of Avalon at IU called Timeliner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3571.0,3584.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, there's a number of different open source things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3584.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, AMP is an open source project, so it's completely built upon open source infrastructure, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3586.0,3592.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, like right down to, you know, you need a server running Racky Linux 8.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3592.0,3596.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But those are some of the main things that we've pulled in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3596.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3600.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from the audiovisual archiving community, another one worth mentioning, I think, is the ENA speech segmenter that we used to detect between music, speech, and silence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3601.0,3610.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was developed by ENA, the National Audiovisual Archives in France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3610.0,3613.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it's a good example of kind of the sharing that's starting to happen within the AV archiving community around these kinds of tools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3613.0,3621.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Stay up to date with the latest and greatest from me and the DAM Right podcast by following me on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/clacinak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3621.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, what would you say have been some of the major findings or takeaways, lessons learned from this project?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3630.0,3639.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably we each have some answers to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3639.0,3642.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd say kind of number one finding or lesson learned, I guess, is this is not easy still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3642.0,3649.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. It's not easy both from the technical standpoint and pulling all these things together, but also from the human standpoint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3649.0,3656.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, getting folks engaged, getting folks bought in to the concept, getting testing to happen, you know, improvements as a result of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3656.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's also challenging to scale workflows, involve large amounts of data still, and lots of different tools being called on different systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3670.0,3680.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things I think we didn't mention is that we mentioned the idea of both open source and commercial and both local and cloud,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3680.0,3687.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but also the idea we might in a university environment, for example, you might have tools you can run in a high-performance computing environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3687.0,3694.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those environments often are designed to work in batch sorts of modes rather than more of an API call-out and get a result back sort of 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useful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3708.0,3715.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's been challenging sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3715.0,3718.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, Emily mentioned kind of what collection managers see as most useful or most immediately useful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3718.0,3724.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It can be hard for people to kind of step back and think about what might be possible with, say, different kinds of discovery systems that they have now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3724.0,3734.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, if you've always been focused on creating archival finding aids and creating library catalog records, you might start by thinking,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3734.0,3743.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Okay, how can I make finding aids and catalog records better?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3743.0,3746.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it can be harder to envision a system that offers new kinds of more time-based searching and discovery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3746.0,3755.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think the areas in which the models and tools that are out there don't work as well with the kinds of collections that we have in libraries and archives and cultural heritage","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3755.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for things like detecting images of objects or, you know, there's lots of room for training of models that are more appropriate to our spaces and our kinds of collections, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3768.0,3781.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And even in some cases, specific collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3781.0,3784.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, we were looking at object detection, which is not currently part of AMP, but is a use case we've been discussing with some collection managers more recently from TV ads from the 1960s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3784.0,3797.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we're like, \"A car in the 1960s does not look exactly the same as a car from the 2000s.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3797.0,3804.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, you know, definitely challenges with object 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efficiently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3808.0,3818.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that takes time to get there, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3818.0,3820.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you're trying to build a tool that could possibly save time or do more for collection managers and collection staff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3820.0,3827.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in order to get to that point, it takes their collaboration and time, which is always in short supply, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3827.0,3835.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think one of the interesting things I talk about, you know, AMP is open 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Galaxy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3840.0,3843.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's been an interesting takeaway is just there are also limitations when you're building a good chunk of your tool upon another open source tool that has sometimes different uses, a different user community and different uses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3843.0,3857.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So figuring out how to try to package AMP up when it's incorporating sort of some of these other -- this other large open source project has been an interesting challenge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3857.0,3867.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this is always something to think about for every decision we make in the future as we add on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3867.0,3872.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think another interesting 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is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3886.0,3890.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is how we designed AMP is to be able to swap in new tools easily and quickly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3890.0,3896.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So by just making them conform to the -- you know, writing some sort of wrapper around them that can conform to a standard set -- data set for moving data around allows you to bring 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it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3972.0,3979.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that's not the workflow that's used in processing collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3979.0,3986.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are already workflows out 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collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3990.0,3996.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So what we're doing right now is to try to look at what tools they're already using, where are these materials available, and how can we, like, add in systems integration so that, like, collection managers want to be able to just go in and say, \"Generate a transcript for all the items in this collection.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=3996.0,4011.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And have that happen and then have them appear within our front end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4011.0,4016.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, for example, for our streaming audiovisual collections, we call it media collections 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What I want to see is that sort of successful implementation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4046.0,4052.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what we're working on now and is exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4052.0,4054.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, one area I might add, and this kind of goes back to some of my original involvement in this space, is I would love to go back and do more with music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4054.0,4062.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we started out in AMP working with some music collections and kind of quickly realized that there's a larger gap between the needs of music searching and the tools that are out there that can kind of be practically applied than there was for, you know, collections that are more perhaps spoken word 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collections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4225.0,4238.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4238.0,4239.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And combining an LLM with vector -- database of kind of the metadata for the collection and OCR and transcription to kind of enable natural language sorts of queries and searching 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done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4262.0,4263.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But where would people -- what would be -- what would people be able to find today in the way of, like, you know, end products, deliverables, research papers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4263.0,4271.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And where would they find it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4271.0,4273.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have an installable version of AMP now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4273.0,4277.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have release 101, I think it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4277.0,4281.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have information on our wiki page about how that can be installed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4281.0,4288.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a GitHub repository with scripting that you use to install it onto a VM, a chair institution, or onto your 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documentation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4319.0,4323.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a user guide on how you would get started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4323.0,4326.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then GitHub -- the GitHub repository has a pretty extensive readme with how you would install and start running AMP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4326.0,4334.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. And we'll put those links in the show notes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4334.0,4336.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And from that same site, you can get to various white papers and reports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4336.0,4340.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We produce -- that talk about kind of how we've done what we've done, why we've done what we've done, if you want to dig into that more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4340.0,4348.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I was -- thanks, Jon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4348.0,4349.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was going to mention that, is the previous phases of the AMP, sort of before there was releasable software,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4349.0,4354.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we have documented white papers for that to learn more about those phases of the project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4354.0,4361.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what's next for AMP?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4361.0,4362.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What's next is, you know, we're kind of -- we're done with the version one development had 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things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4447.0,4450.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So really plugging into, staying plugged into that broader world and getting hopefully more partners","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4450.0,4457.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and more people involved and interested in AMP and the kinds of things that we're trying to do there going forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4457.0,4464.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to thank you both for your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4464.0,4466.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You've been very generous with your contributions and insights and the amount of thoughtfulness","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4466.0,4473.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you've really brought to bear today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4473.0,4475.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, you know, the way that AI often gets talked about is so loose and kind of dreamy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4475.0,4482.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that you've done a really good job of helping us understand what a lot of the nitty gritty issues are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4482.0,4490.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that people are grappling with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4490.0,4492.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think just in LAM or GLAM and cultural heritage is probably everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4492.0,4498.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's a good representation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4498.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I want to thank you for being so open and transparent and being willing to let us in and see what this looks like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4500.0,4508.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's one of the benefits of, I think, grant funded and open source projects is that we get to see this sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4508.0,4515.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So thank you for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4515.0,4517.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And to close us out, I want to ask you both the question that I ask everybody that comes on the podcast,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4517.0,4522.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is what is the last song that you liked or added to your favorites playlist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4522.0,4527.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I can go first, which is a funny song, is Believers by Imagine Dragons,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4527.0,4532.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because my kid is singing it for his seventh grade choir final project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4532.0,4538.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're the second person that has said that their playlist is dictated in some way by their kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4538.0,4544.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Got it. Got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4544.0,4546.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What about you, Jon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4546.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I have a very nerdy answer, perhaps, which is I've been reading a book by actually an IU emeritus musicology faculty member,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4548.0,4557.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peter Burkholder, about Charles Ives, the early 20th century American composer who was really very experimental for his time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4557.0,4564.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so my answer, I guess, is Leonard Bernstein, New York Philharmonic,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4564.0,4569.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"performance of The Unanswered Question by Charles Ives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4569.0,4573.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4573.0,4574.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1964.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4574.0,4575.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those will be nice on the playlist right next to each other adjacent there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4575.0,4580.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Be a good mixture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4580.0,4582.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4582.0,4584.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you both so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4584.0,4585.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really appreciate your time and great insights today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4585.0,4589.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks, Chris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4589.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much for having us, Chris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4590.0,4591.0"},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644#t=4591.0,4592.0"}]},{"id":"https://damright.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2725/collection_resources/132028/file/246644/transcript/68663","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English 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